Happy Wednesday Everyone! Today I’m thrilled to have debut author Tirzah Price here to share about her YA historical mystery Pride and Premeditation. I was able to get an e-ARC through Netgalley. This is a fantastic, page-turning mystery. I loved that it was a retelling of Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice in such a refreshing way. And I really felt for Lizzie, who finds a way to be independent, in a time when women were not free like we are now. I can’t wait to read the next book in the series.
Here’s a blurb from Goodreads:
Perfect for fans of the Lady Janies and Stalking Jack the Ripper, the first book in the Jane Austen Murder Mysteries series is a clever retelling of Pride and Prejudice that reimagines the iconic settings, characters, and romances in a thrilling and high-stakes whodunit.
When a scandalous murder shocks London high
society, seventeen-year-old aspiring lawyer Lizzie Bennet seizes the
opportunity to prove herself, despite the interference of Mr. Fitzwilliam
Darcy, the stern young heir to the prestigious firm Pemberley Associates.
Convinced the authorities have imprisoned the
wrong person, Lizzie vows to solve the murder on her own. But as the case—and
her feelings for Darcy—become more complicated, Lizzie discovers that her dream
job could make her happy, but it might also get her killed.
IWSG Post
Before
I get to my interview with Jennifer, I have my IWSG post.
Posting: The first Wednesday is officially Insecure Writer's Support Group Day.
Purpose: To share and encourage. Writers can express doubts and concerns
without fear of appearing foolish or weak. Those who have been through the fire
can offer assistance and guidance. It’s a safe haven for insecure writers of
all kinds!
The awesome co-hosts for the March
3rd posting of the IWSG are Sarah
- The Faux Fountain Pen Jacqui Murray, Chemist
Ken, Victoria Marie Lees, JQ and me.
Optional Question: Everyone has a favorite genre or genres to write. But what about your reading preferences? Do you read widely or only within the genre(s) you create stories for? What motivates your reading choice?
When I started writing middle grade and young adult fantasy, I only read in those genres. But then I went through a reading crisis after I lost my husband. I later learned that this is a common part of grief. For awhile I could only read adult mysteries, thrillers, and some contemporary.
As time has gone on, I have thankfully been able to read middle grade and young adult fantasy again. I also read more widely. I read more contemporary and mysteries in MG and YA as well as the same genres in adult fiction.
I read in my genre and ones I may want to write in because I think it’s important to read in the genres you write. And I enjoy them. I also read adult books because I like them a lot and sometimes I need to see myself as an adult in the characters I read. I’ve always loved to read a lot since I first learned to read and mainly read for the pleasure of it. I read almost every day and have for most of my life. I really don’t know what I’d do without it.
What about you? What do you like to read?
Interview With Tirzah Price
Hi Tirzah! Thanks so much for joining us.
1. Tell us about yourself and how you became a writer.
Thanks so much for having me! I’ve always been a big YA reader and writer, although I didn’t get serious about writing until college. I applied to Vermont College of Fine Art’s MFA program for Writing for Children & Young Adults because so many of my favorite YA writers have graduated from that program. It was life-changing, and gave me the confidence and skills to go from starting novels to actually finishing them!
2. That’s so awesome that you decided to pursue your dreams. Where did you get the idea for Pride and Premeditation?
I’ve always enjoyed retellings and genre mash ups, and I’m a big fan of YA ahistorical novels that bring a bit of a modern sensibility to a historical period or classic work. I also really wanted to write a mystery, so the idea of writing a murder mystery retelling of Pride & Prejudice seemed too fun to pass up!
3. I’m thinking that I want to write a mystery too. Tell us a bit about your writing process for this book. Did you plot it out or were you a pantser? How long did it take you to get it to the point where you felt you could query?
Pride and Premeditation isn’t actually my first novel, but my third! I wrote two YA novels before it—
my first got me my agent, and both went on submission but unfortunately didn’t sell. I generally consider myself a plotter, and I had to get very structured with writing this mystery. I worked on a detailed chapter outline where everything worked and came together before drafting, and then I had a lot of revision.4. Lizzie must solve a murder mystery to convince her father that he should hire her as a solicitor. How did you plot out the clues and twists of who the murderer was? Do you have any tips or books you recommend for other writers who want to write a mystery?
Writing a mystery is hard! When creating my outline for Pride and Premeditation (and the sequels), I usually start out with the broad strokes. I know who the villains are, and their motives, and I work backwards to the moment when the protagonists learn of the crime. Some tips and tricks I’ve picked up: It’s good to make sure that all of the characters have a secret or two that may or may not relate to the mystery at hand, and they can make for good red herrings. When it comes down to the nitty gritty of the clues, it helps to think about your settings, and how the villain might think of react in the moment of the crime—what do they leave behind? What do they overlook? How can a sharp-eyes sleuth pick up on these details? At this stage, I usually break my outline down in an excel spreadsheet to keep track of all the clues! I’ve never managed to write a good mystery in the first draft, either. For me, the magic happens in revision when I can make sure everything connects in an exciting and satisfying way.
5. Those are great tips! Lizzie is such a sympathetic, intelligent girl who has to try to stay independent in a world where women were expected to get married and take care of their husbands and kids. Did you have any trouble finding the balance between her desire to be an independent girl with the constraints of her time?
Yes! It’s partly why I chose to make the setting ahistorical. In reality, young ladies wouldn’t have been able to pursue careers in law—most didn’t work outside of the home, and those who did weren’t part of the upper class. Lizzie wouldn’t have been able to solve the mystery without causing a huge scandal and ruining her reputation, so I decided to take some liberties. Besides, real change has only ever happened because of the brave women who forged a path outside of what society expected of them. Even though Lizzie is (mostly) supported by her family and friends in her endeavors to build a career, there are still so many societal expectations and cultural bounds she runs up against, and I think that’s still true for a lot of people, even today.
6. Your agent is Taylor Martindale Keen. How did she become your agent and what was your road to publication like?
Taylor is wonderful! When I graduated from VCFA in 2015, I took about a year to revise my YA novel that I wrote while in the program, and I began querying agents the traditional way. Taylor was one of three to read my query and eventually offer representation, and I knew from the first phone call I wanted to work with her. She’s been a wonderfully loyal and supportive agent, especially as the first two YA books I sent her unfortunately didn’t sell. I’m grateful to her for sticking with me until we finally landed on a project that made it to publication!
7. That’s great that she stuck with you until you found the right manuscript to debut with. How are you planning to market your book? What advice do you have to other authors looking to debut or release a subsequent book during these changing times?
These are indeed changing times, and my biggest thanks to everyone taking the time to support debut authors right now! The message I’ve always hoped to send to readers with Pride and Premeditation, and the sequels, is that these are fun mysteries for fans of Austen’s work, but they’re also just plain fun if you have never read a Jane Austen novel. Don’t feel as though you have to be familiar with the source material to pick up the books—in fact, I don’t mind if reading Austen isn’t your favorite. I’m lucky to have the support of my fellow 2021 debuts, the 21ders, and a huge shoutout to the 2020 debuts who forged this new path of debuting in the pandemic for us. One of the great things that these times have shown us is that virtual events are really fun, and they can be done from anywhere, with people who live far away from you. I think anyone debuting should embrace their writer friendships and remember it’s a lot easier to do this if you have a supportive community.
8. Has it been any harder to write the second book in your series now that you are writing under contract? What have you learned that has helped you write a manuscript when you have a deadline to meet?
It’s been a bit more difficult in that when writing book two, I’m also working on revisions and production timelines for book one, and when looking at starting book three, I’m also still working on book two and launching book one…so it’s a balancing act! But one of the benefits is that I have a wonderful team at HarperTeen, and my editor and her assistants have been great about answering questions at the brainstorming phase and helping troubleshoot plot problems at the outline phase. Luckily, I have experience with writing on deadlines through my day job, and I think so many years of working towards publication while balancing a personal life and various jobs has made me pretty disciplined, so I am in the habit of writing consistently and towards a goal.
9. That’s great that your publisher has been so supportive. What are you working on now?
At this moment, I’m revising Sense and Second-Degree Murder, which will be out in 2022! Very soon I hope to start drafting Manslaughter Park, due out in 2023, and in between all of that I’m hoping to write something brand new!
Thanks for sharing all your advice, Tirzah. You can find Tirzah at:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/19982385.Tirzah_Price
https://bookriot.com/author/tirzah-price/
Giveaway Details
Tirzah has generously offered a signed hardback (pre-order) of Pride and Premeditation for a giveaway. To enter, all you need to do is be a follower of my blog (via the follower gadget, email, or bloglovin’ on the right sidebar) and leave a comment by March 20th. If your e-mail is not on your Google Profile, you must leave it in the comments to enter the contest. Please be sure I have your email address.
If you mention this contest on Twitter, Facebook, or your blog and/or follow me on Twitter, mention this in the comments and I'll give you an extra entry for each. You must be 13 years old or older to enter. The giveaway is U.S.
Upcoming Interviews and Giveaways
Monday, March 8th I have an interview with author Donna Galanti and a giveaway of her MG fantasy Unicorn Island
Monday, March 15th I have a guest post by debut author Merriam Sarcia Saunders and her agent Caryn Wiseman with a query critique giveaway by Caryn and a giveaway of her MG contemporary Trouble with a Tiny t by Merriman
Tuesday, March 16th I’m participating in the Chasing Rainbows Giveaway Hop
Wednesday, March 17th I have an agent spotlight interview with Jennifer Herrington and a query critique giveaway
Monday, March 22nd I have an interview with debut author Christina Li and a giveaway of her MG contemporary Clues to the Universe
Wednesday, March 24th I have an interview with publisher Maria Dismondy of Cardinal Rule Press
Monday, March 29th I have an interview with debut author Jessica Olsen and a giveaway of her YA fantasy Sing Me Forgotten
Hope to see you on Monday!
I love reading and like many types.
ReplyDeleteLoved the interview today Natalie.
Take care and enjoy your Wednesday.
Yvonne.
Hi Natalie...I try to read some books in the genre and age group I write for, but I love to read thrillers and mysteries a lot!
ReplyDeletePride and Premeditation sounds interesting, I love the cover!
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI too read widely and I find it fascinating to be able to sit and read a book that is not in the genre I write.
Thank you for co- hosting.
Shalom aleichem,
Pat G @ EverythingMustChange
This sounds like so much fun!!! Thanks for the introduction to Tirzah! And thanks for co-hosting this month!!
ReplyDeleteTirzah, I do imagine writing a mystery is hard.
ReplyDeleteNatalie, glad you are back to reading your favorites and thanks for co-hosting today.
I totally agree with you about having to read in the genre that you write, but also to read a variety to be well rounded.
ReplyDeleteWell now, Pride and Premeditation (and the series) sound like a great read! Even though I'm not much into mysteries, I believe I'd enjoy these.
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting, Natalie!
I agree that it's a good idea to read the genres we write, not least because it helps us understand what readers want and expect.
ReplyDeleteI used to be phobic about reading in the genre I was currently writing in for fear I'd inadvertently pick up ideas. I still prefer to do that until the editing stage when all my ideas are solidly set. Thanks for cohosting this month, Natalie, and for helping me find a new book to read!
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting with me. So glad you can continue reading because I can tell how much you love it. Were your parents readers too? I always wonder how folks get to be avid readers. I enjoy YA because there seems to be more energy and action in those books. The Jane Austen mystery story sounds fantastic. Great interview. I'm a mystery author and enjoyed how Tirzha constructed hers.
ReplyDeleteJQ Rose
When I first began toying with the idea of writing, I mostly read children's books since my first story was Harry Potter fanfiction. As I moved to more adult urban fantasy, I switched to that genre. It's always best to read what you write.
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting IWSG this month!
I've always read widely as well. I've been through those times when grief/shock change me and my reading habits as well. I used to enjoy the darker, more intense books but prefer lighter/happy endings now.
ReplyDeleteTirzah's book sounds like a great retell! Congrats and good luck!!
Congrats to Tirzah. What a great story!
ReplyDeleteI also read all over the place, not just my preferred writing genres but others as well. You can get good ideas (and entertainment) from anywhere.
Usually, I read Crime, Fiction, Mystery and How To.
ReplyDeleteOften, it is suggested we read the genre we write. This sounds like good advice. My genre is memoir, so I'll be expanding into my field.
Lynn La Vita @: Writers Supporting Writers
Congrats, Tirzah!
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting, Natalie!
Congratulations, Tirzah! The story sounds juicy. Right up my alley. Natalie, I agree. I think it's important to read in our genre and to use good books as learning tools. Thank you for co-hosting!
ReplyDeleteTirzah's books sounds wonderful. I just finished a fractured fairytale about Snow White--a similar idea to Tirzah's. Love the cleverness.
ReplyDeleteWhat a fascinating story. I love things like this, sounds like it would be a little like Enola Holmes. Thanks for sharing!
ReplyDeleteLove the cover on Tirzah's book! I learn so much from reading in my genre, but I also find comfort and entertainment there. Write what you love, eh?
ReplyDeleteMiddle-grade and YA stories are a lot of fun. I'm glad you're able to read them again!
ReplyDeleteCongratulations to Tirzah!
Congrats to Tirzah on her release. Jane Austen retellings are so much fun. Super cute cover!
ReplyDeleteThe mystery-solving in Tirzah's book sounds like such an interesting plot. Congratulations to her on this book selling.
ReplyDeleteAs to grief's role in our lives, I completely understand how you had to change your reading choice. There's something about not wanting to continue doing something after your partner's gone. A need to step out of that routine because it has lost its joy. For some reason I can't explain the feeling very well. And here I call myself a writer. :-)
I think you said it just right. And you're a fantastic writer.
DeleteIt's a balancing act when there are several books in the pipeline. (Just as much so on the publisher side.)
ReplyDeleteGrief comes out in strange ways, doesn't it?
I never spent a lot of time in MG or YA, though I do find myself exploring more now that I have kids. I will read to them in the evenings and in the morning on the weekends. Right now we're reading Diary of an 8-bit Warrior (my son loves Minecraft) and the Unwanteds (which I thought my daughter might enjoy). I'm sorry that you had grief in your life, but I'm glad you were able to turn that into a positive with expanding your scope.
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting!
I struggled to read at first too. I am glad to be back at it. Loved the interview and love the premise of this mystery series. Co granulation a Tirsah. Thank you for the interview, Natalie.
ReplyDeleteSorry for the typos! Fingers-challenged on my phone!
ReplyDeleteI agree, I often read my genre I’m writing which is YA. I do read all types of YA because it’s the voice and dialogue that matter to me to make it feel real, not necessarily the type.
ReplyDeleteCongrats to Tirzah Price!
If I don't read at least a little every day, I tend to get cranky. :)
ReplyDeleteAs a beta reader I always have a book on me. Fortunately, I have many talented writer friends. Congrats on your win. I'll check it out for sure. Happy IWSG Day, and thank you for co-hosting!
ReplyDeleteThis sounds amazing! I love Austen and mysteries! It was interesting hearing how she had to make it ahistorical to allow Lizzie some more freedom. I also liked her tips on how to create red herrings! Please enter me and I also tweeted the giveaway. :)
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you've been able to get back to MG/YA books, Natalie. I've had the same experience of only being able to read comfort books when I'm going through a hard time.
I understand that reading crisis after your loss. I've been in similar states of mind after difficult times. It just gets hard to focus when ones mind is distracted by grief or some other emotionally devastating time.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it's important to keep up with a genre where your writing interest lies. If I'm writing something I will often refer to other works in a similar genre as a bit of a guideline and for inspiration.
Arlee Bird
Tossing It Out
Natalie, I've been a voracious reader all my life. It helps me get through crises, providing an escape. Great interview with Tirzah. Best wishes to her.
ReplyDeleteMy heart always goes out to people who have lost their spouses like you, Natalie. I can't imagine, and I dread the thought of that happening to me. You are an amazing inspiration in how you picked up and went on with your life and in all that you are accomplishing. Thanks for another inspiring interview. Lizzie is my kind of protagonist. I wish Tizrah lots of success with her book. Thanks for cohosting today!
ReplyDeletePride and Premeditation sounds like a really fun read. I would love to win a copy. :)
ReplyDeleteI am impressed by your tenacity, Tirzah!
Natalie - thanks for showcasing another really cool author!
Also, since I did the IWSG prompt wrong for the month, I'll just add in here, I read all over the place, but 70% of what I read is fantasy or sci-fi. I used to read more historical fiction and romance before my grandma Pearl passed away - those were her favorite genres and we used to talk about books with each other.
Grief changes us for a while I think.
This book sounds right up my alley :) @samanthabwriter from
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I've read my share of middle grade. They are so much fun. Lighthearted and full of life.
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I follow by google gadget.
ReplyDeleteAwesome giveaway and interesting premise. Love to win this book!
dianemestrella at gmail dot com
Sounds like a wonderful premise. I hope I win, too. I believe it's imperative to keep track of all clues when writing mysteries. It's also a good idea to keep track of specific details in other genres, too. Thanks for sharing this, ladies. And thanks for co-hosting IWSG's question this month, Natalie! vmleeswriter at gmail dot com
ReplyDeleteI read across the board, but during Covid, I've found that I want to read lighter fare. I haven't read a psychological thriller or anything similar in over a year now. I'm sure I will again at some point. Hopefully soon :)
ReplyDeleteAh mysteries. That's one genre I've never really been able to get into but it's also my mom's favorite. I'm always impressed when she can guess the answer to the mystery before the end! Thanks for co-hosting this month :)
ReplyDeleteI am sorry for your loss. I lost my first husband after only nearly 2 years of marriage. Books and movies became my mainstays as I went through the grief process. I don't know what my life would be without stories! :)
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry for your loss too. It's never easy to lose a spouse. Thankfully reading has become my refuge too.
DeleteI can't wait to read this book! (Not entering the giveaway) :)
ReplyDeleteMegan S.
Life is not easy and when you've lost your husband it is especially tough. Writing has been good for me. Keeps me busy and often in another world.
ReplyDeleteCongrats to Tirzah on her release. I love a new twist on an old classic!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your observation about reading after your husband's death. I'm experiencing something similar now and it's kind of weird. Something is just off in the concentration department. Good to know this, too, shall pass.
I do enjoy Austen and I find these kinds of mashups fun. Sounds like a great read.
ReplyDeleteWhen I write, I write to entertain my readers. Light speculative fiction, no thrillers, not gritty stuff. But that stems from what I like to read: light speculative stories with no darkness in them. I also read romance a lot (and I don't write romance as a rule) but I consider the romance genre a sort of fantasy too. Where else could you discover the wonderful men of romance novels but in fantasy, right?
ReplyDeleteGreat interview!
Good answer to the question. It IS important to read in the genre in which you write.
ReplyDeleteJ Lenni Dorner~ Co-host of the #AtoZchallenge, Debut Author Interviewer, Reference& Speculative Fiction Author
Having a schedule and sticking to it sure works indeed. Great when you have those that stick by you too.
ReplyDeleteReading anything sure is the way.
I totally agree that it's important to read in the genres you write. Totally!!
ReplyDeletePride and Premeditation sounds like such a wonderful book!
Thanks for sharing that about the impact of grief on our reading choices. It has certainly affected mine. Mostly, I’m a little reluctant to venture into the new worlds represented by books I haven’t already read. And I’ve always loved middle-grade fiction, and now I’m just not excited by most of it.
ReplyDeleteIt took me a long time to get back into middle grade too. But I'm loving it again. Hope you do sometime in the future too.
DeleteThanks for co hosting the IWSG this month. I enjoyed reading about Tirzah and her book.
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ReplyDeleteI’m like you, having always loved to read. Thanks for the great interview as always, and for co-hosting! :)
ReplyDeleteYay, Tirzah! The21ders rock! Natalie, please don't enter me in the giveaway. I've already preordered a copy!
ReplyDeleteCongrats, Tirzah! Natalie, this is an amazing coincidence with the Jane Austen...and I'm putting this one on my reading list.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the interview! I follow Natalie on Twitter and enjoyed the mystery writing tips from the author. This book in on my Goodreads TBR.
ReplyDeleteI've been waiting for this one!! I love reimaginings of classic stories, myths, fairy tales, etc. I follow you on Twitter and also tweeted about the giveaway. Thanks, as always, for a great interview!
ReplyDeleteEven though time has gone on, heartfelt hugs on your loss. I did not realize about the reading crisis.One more thing to deal with. Glad your reading is back on keel.
ReplyDeletePride and Premeditation sounds fascinating.
Take special care.
Unless I'm researching, I read for enjoyment. It's a bonus that reading is an essential tool for writing:-)
ReplyDeleteAnother wonderful interview, Natalie. You are so good at it!
This looks like a lot of fun. And yes, community and support is more important than ever in these times. Congrats, Tirzah.
ReplyDeleteI also enjoy reading YA and mysteries, sounds like it is my kind of read! Congrats and continued success!
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed your interview with Tirzah Price. This novel sounds like a very interesting retelling of Pride and Prejudice. I look forward to reading it. I follow you on twitter and have shared the twitter post this on twitter.
ReplyDeleteNatalie: I read everything too, though right now I'm having difficulty focusing on any one book. *sigh* To much 2020?
ReplyDeleteTirzah, congrats on your upcoming release! It sounds wonderful and I'd love to read it.
I had no idea this can happen as a stage of grief. It makes sense. I'm glad your reading again. And I have to tell you that you're doing an amazing job with this site. <3
ReplyDeleteThat sounds like such a fun book. Good luck to Tirzah for all her future books too.
ReplyDeleteReading's a funny thing, isn't it. You can devour a whole series, then never want anything like it again, chop from historical to futuristic, reality to fantasy, and then people ask you what's your favourite!
Thank you for co-hosting this month. Thanks for sharing Pride and Premeditation and a great interview. Sounds like a fun book. I try to read widely when I can, but sometimes I stick with my comfort reads in the speculative genres.
ReplyDeleteReading in the genre you write is important, identifying tropes and styles essential to include in the storytelling process.
ReplyDeleteGreat interview. Tirzah's book sounds intriguing and fun.
Great title for Lizzie's book! I had a hard time reading anything while I was going through a divorce. I couldn't concentrate on what I was reading. My mind was so preoccupied.
ReplyDeleteHi Natalie - this is great ... and I love the idea of Tirzah's book. I'm reading mostly educative books ... but on occasions will read a mystery ... stay safe - Hilary
ReplyDeleteI've always thought mysteries were so great but so hard to write! I look forward to reading this book.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate mysteries more than ever, as they not only provide a great escape during the pandemic, but they help keep me on my toes. Congratulations to Tirzah! Thanks for co-hosting, Natalie.
ReplyDeleteJulie
My mom has completely stopped reading since my dad died, so that sounds very familiar. I'm glad you were able to return to the genres you enjoyed before. And thanks to your guest for sharing the great mystery writing tips!
ReplyDeletePride and Prejudice re-imaginings are always so much fun!
ReplyDeleteI'm a follower.
ReplyDeleteI love the blurb for that book! I have to check it out.
ReplyDeleteOooh, this sounds enticing! Congratulations, Tirzah!
ReplyDeleteI'm a follower, I follow on Twitter, and I will tweet your post, Natalie. :)
I would love a copy of Pride and Premeditation! Congratulations, Tirzah. I followed you on Twitter
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I think stress had stopped me from reading as much as I used to, then I got sick, and it slowed even more. I think I did hit a reading crisis after I lost my mom. It hasn't been a year yet, so maybe I can get back into it. I've been able to finish e-comics, so I need to keep on that track.
ReplyDeleteThanks for co-hosting!
Hi Natalie,
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree that one should read a variety of books but also concentrate on books written in the genre a author writes. I LOVED YA fantasy and read so much of it before I wrote my first YA novel. But, as of late, I haven't read much in that genre, focusing on my writing of non-fiction narrative. I am looking forward to returning to YA fantasy soon. I would love to some day finish the series I had started SO LONG ago...
What a fun premise for your book, Jennifer, and I love the title! It sounds like a MUST READ for Jane Austen fans... All the best!
I love to read a variety of genres and my reading often reflects my mood. I tend to write fantasy, mystery, and spooky books- but read far outside those genres.
ReplyDeleteBest of luck to Tirzah!
~Jess
Pride and Premeditation sounds like a fun, entertaining, and engaging book that I would enjoy reading.
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